Ep 2: Let's Talk About SHEEN, Baby! Painting 101
In our second-ever episode, The Handyma’ams surprise, delight, and sometimes scare us with their tales from the field. Will they self-sabotage with food poisoning at a questionable lunch location or buck up with “stick-to-it-ive-ness” and keep going despite their setbacks?
Join us this week and find out why Arly nearly walked off the job, Samantha was left sobbing over a piece of trim, and Emily entered in the 7th circle of hell while removing wallpaper.
The Handiest of ma’ams also debate the merit and mediocrity of paint sheens in this week’s game “Rate-a-data-doo” with Arly. Find out the paint sheen rated “11,000” out of 5 stars by Emily and which ones Samantha gives a sideways thumb… the equivalent of 3 out of 5 stars, in case you’re curious.
They also clarify which paints are made out of water, which ones are definitely not made out of spaghetti but could be, and which ones they recommend using in your home.
Whether this is your second week joining us or your first, thank you for being here as The Handyma’ams use their hard-earned and field-tested expertise to entertain, educate, and help you to feel less alone while you’re “doing it yourself”.
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Credits
Host -Samantha Pearl
Host- Arly Streed
Host - Emily Pearl Reist
Editing and Music by Thomas Streed
Transcript
0:00
Hello friends.
Hi, welcome to How to Handyman, the podcast where Samantha thinks that a thumbs up is five.
In this episode we talk about Emily needing new glasses, we talk about my no good, terrible, very bad day, and we talk about Sheen and the types of paint that you should pick for your house.
0:21
Yeah, so stick around.
I'm Emily.
I'm Samantha.
And I'm Marley.
And this is how to handy, ma'am.
This episode is dedicated to my sister-in-law Jana, who any day now should be having my very own niece, and she is a great person and she's going to be a wonderful mother.
0:48
All right, I heard that you saw a monkey today.
Oh no.
Yes, tell the story about the monkey.
This should be a lesson, everyone, that you should go see your doctor more often.
1:05
And it made me schedule an eye visit because as you see, I wear glasses.
But apparently they're not good enough.
You know how Ross has a monkey that sits on his shoulder?
And friends, there was this creature in a car that I was behind that looked exactly like a monkey.
1:20
Like, I kid you not.
I was so convinced.
I was like, Dang, that's pretty cool.
That person has a monkey in their car.
And I had like, the monkey coloring.
I like, saw like sunlight through its hair.
And I was like, that's so weird.
And then I pulled up next to them.
Friends.
It was not a monkey.
1:37
It was a stuffed.
Animal and a child's hand who kept going like I am going to get my eyes checked.
I made an appointment but also it it truly looked like a monkey.
Oh my gosh, the reason for this behavior is because Arlie has had one of the worst weeks in her entire time working here.
2:02
It's actually pretty relevant.
I feel like you should tell the listeners about it because they will all have that moment when they want to just light a match and turn around leave their.
House and hope the insurance takes.
Care of it if you are thinking about doing home renovations, make sure that you have a good insurance policy, not just because you might wreck things because you might actually want to light your house on fire.
2:25
A good insurance policy or a stable personality?
Yes.
One of the two.
You're going to give me one of the two or both?
This week was, well, actually the first few days were actually really good.
I came in and I saved the day on Monday, I saved the day on Tuesday and Wednesday was just like a normal day for the most part.
2:47
And then yesterday, my goodness, we had to install a handrail on somebody's concrete porch, something that we've done before and I've used this brand of railing before.
It's like the railing putting it together is a little bit more complicated than like you can get these Amazon ones that basically are already assembled and you just put them on the stairs.
3:10
This like wrapped around the side of the of the porch and then the handrail went down the stairs.
Well, we're drilling into concrete and.
Which is normally with the right tools.
With the right tools.
Not really a big deal.
You got a hammer drill, You got a masonry bit I had.
3:28
A hammer drill.
We had two big batteries and a bunch of small batteries.
We might have even had three big batteries and.
A brand new set of masonry bits.
Yeah, we had new masonry bits.
We had all of the things that we needed and one thing after the next, we could not get these stupid concrete anchors into just I can't, I can't even I'm so frustrated.
3:54
I'm thinking about it.
I all day today I've been pretending that yesterday didn't happen.
I was like yesterday did not exist.
Nothing happened so last.
Night Arlie and I talked through it and I was like, well, tell me, tell me how it went.
And so as she's telling me, I'm like, well, it could be this and then I'm like or this or this.
4:14
And then at the end, I was like, I think all five of those things are true.
It was.
Awful, wrong masonry bit, bad anchors, like low performing anchors, then new masonry bit, but wrong kind.
4:31
And then you had to drill through.
This was a concrete porch that had a lot of like aggregate, which basically like rocks in it.
So you were drilling through the rocks and then I'm certain you hit rebar.
Also.
It's like all five, you hit all five of the things that make a job like that hard and.
4:48
Then the batteries started dying at the end of the day too.
They were like freaking cold.
Not well.
Also, it's not supposed to take 5 hours to put in like to drill holes.
So we brought, you know, we had like 6 or 7 batteries thinking that would be more than enough.
5:04
No, no, they were not enough because we were running the drill constantly, trying to get it through whatever was in the porch.
It was so frustrating.
My question is, if you get through concrete and you hit rebar, could you use a metal drill?
Bit yeah, that's what we talked about.
5:20
Had they known that that's what was happening?
Because you can kind of tell because you start instead of getting like whitish Gray dust coming out of the hole that you drill, you'll start to get brown or.
Or no.
Or red if it's like, 'cause usually rebar's a little bit rusty.
5:38
So if you start, if you drill in and it's like works fine and then it won't go anymore, but you're getting a different color dust coming out of the hole.
That's a good indication that you've hit some other kind of material.
And you did drill through rocks.
You can drill through a rock with a masonry bit.
They're made for things like that.
5:54
But you cannot drill through metal with a masonry bit.
It just.
Doesn't work because it's more dull at the end, like a metal blade.
Yeah, but like a misery bit part of it is hitting it, hitting it, hitting it, hitting it and kind of breaking it up and then.
Drilling it out.
6:10
Break it.
Yeah, that's a good thing.
Yeah.
But a a metal bit, is it like it's, it's just sharp and it's a drill bit.
So, yeah, that was a good lesson learned yesterday.
You don't expect like all the things that can go wrong to go wrong on the same job.
But occasionally it happens.
6:26
And I will say the difference between a good contractor and a bad contractor sometimes is just the stick to itiveness because good contractors don't get it right the first time all the time either.
Like we have plenty of struggles, but the whole point is problem solving and sticking with it.
6:43
And I had to chuckle because when we first started in the business, our customers would and while still talk to us a lot about how they've been ghosted before by contractors, how they just wouldn't even they've stopped responding to their text messages and everything and.
Some contractors even just leave their tools.
Yeah, they just walk away and they were.
7:00
And the customers are like just so frustrated by that.
And me, I'm like, I cannot believe people do that.
But now that we've been in business for 5 1/2 years, I gotta say we wouldn't do it because.
Sometimes you're tempted.
Sometimes I I sometimes I understand them.
7:17
Like OK, this is not the right thing to do, but I can understand the mentality where a contractor's just like Nope, I got to get a different line of work and just leave.
They just jump, yeah.
The problem is when it's your house and you're doing the work yourself.
Like you can't really move, so you got to stick with it.
7:35
And that's one of the things we've learned over the last 5 1/2 years.
And one of the things we're very careful to teach our new hires as they're coming in is approach it.
Approach the job with the idea that it's not if you're going to have a problem, you are going to have a problem.
We are professional problem solvers.
7:51
That's our job.
You just don't know what problem it's going to be until you get there.
It's a surprise and if.
You have a problem.
It's not like you did something wrong.
You're not doing a good job.
It's just like, this is how it works.
Like we you take things apart and you find the problems that were already there and then you just have to figure out a new plan.
8:11
And that happens with like every single job all the time.
It's insane.
It really does, Yeah.
And it's very relevant, even though we're in construction, that whole idea of that happening, that happens no matter where DIVDIY is happening, whether it's happening in the home, it's happening in a construction business, it's happening with your father-in-law who comes over to help or your sister-in-law that comes to help you do a project.
8:32
It happens to everybody.
Yeah, I've never in my life felt a, more incompetent and B, like I really wanted to just quit my job and go home.
I love my job.
I love it.
I love my job.
I love the people I work with.
8:51
But I say that to the listeners out there.
I was just winking at them and I'm.
Like.
But yesterday I was like, can I just be sick?
Do people get sick in the middle of the winter?
Oh no, I threw up.
9:10
Or you just go to your go to place that always makes you sick when you eat there, that's where you go for lunch.
You're like nature will take care.
Take care of this problem.
There was one bright point in the day.
It was lunchtime and we had just gotten the first couple of anchors in.
9:27
After we had gotten the right anchors, the right that's like everything started to work out.
Got the first couple in things are going amazing.
Our Panera shows up it and I was like I.
Think we're sponsored by Panera but.
9:42
The door Dash guy came up and I was like you are my Angel and I said that to him.
Was he a little creeped out?
No.
He was, he looked kind of flattered.
He was like, I got here as fast as I could and I was like, you just saved my life, my sanity, everything inside of me.
9:59
And then Arlie, in this golden moment of accomplishment, Arlie sent me a video which.
I heard that video.
Now we're like, happy and smiling and then like 40 minutes later she's like, I hate everything, Yeah.
Things were good for about 35 minutes.
10:16
Wait, please play the audio, I think it'd be funny.
We did it and our Panera got delivered.
Our sanity has been saved.
We're going nowhere.
That's how it is sometimes.
That's how it is.
10:32
What's the worst day you can remember, like in the last five years?
Being in the field.
I can remember your worst.
Oh my gosh, I will never forget that.
Is it the transition strip?
Yeah.
Yeah, I remember that.
You tell that story.
I'll tell it from my perspective, which was horrified and worried.
10:50
We had I don't know what gave us the gall to take on an entire House of flooring.
We had never done a big project like that.
We had never done flooring.
Little project and we were like how?
Hard can it be?
I think I lost a fingernail during this project.
11:08
Like full loss of fingernail.
Sorry and.
We.
Hit ourselves with hammers many times because when you're installing flooring and for audio people out, I'll describe it, but you kneel on the flooring and then you have a block and a hammer and you're like tippy tapping it in towards you, towards you.
11:30
And sometimes if the floor isn't quite perfect or you just like, meet it because you're tired, yeah, you just hit really hard.
And it's just.
You just miss and hit yourself.
And I think I had already hit the finger that this, oh, you did I hit it.
Second time, yeah.
And that was the nail.
11:46
I gave up the ghost, yeah, but that was the fingernail.
So we were at the very end of this.
We were at the very end of this.
Project Literally.
Literally we were doing transition ships.
But it was in front of a slider, so it was like.
Big one, expensive. 6 foot 8 foot long and with vinyl flooring you don't necessarily want to use a lead 1 you can, but so we were just trying to find the store didn't have this because they'd gotten the flooring on sale so there were no transition strips.
12:16
So everything we got didn't match except we found like.
Two of them, just two, just two on clearance.
Yeah, randomly.
And Samantha puts the first one in and she puts it in with a nail gun and it shatters and she's like.
Oh crap.
12:32
Seriously.
And I'm like, that's OK, I have another one.
I'm holding it together because we're like 6 days overdue on this job.
So we're not doing all the other paid work that was keeping us afloat at that point.
So we're like so overdue.
And I'm like, we're going to finish this today.
And I'm like, that's OK.
12:49
We have a second one.
And then I just hear after that one got broken and I walked in and I was like, what do you need?
Do you need something?
Are you OK?
Are you going to be OK?
Are you going to be OK?
13:04
And she's like.
Just tell me what you need.
I'm going to the store right now, Walked.
In and I was like I love you mom help.
He was bringing us lunch because we were like couldn't even leave because we had so much and I was.
Like I will.
I will go to Menards, I'll go to Home Depot, I'll go to Love Anywhere.
13:21
Everyone is problem solving and Jim just walks in with lunch and then he's like what is going on?
I just like, OK, you emotional support human.
I was like.
Tears running.
Down.
No sobbing.
I was sitting on the floor.
This was an empty house with no customer.
13:37
In it I was going to be.
Sitting right next to that broken transition strip, just bawling.
That room was cursed because that's one of the first times I ever removed wallpaper.
I just like steaming it.
I'm doing everything right.
I pull it.
Just a chunk of drywall.
13:53
We actually have that before and after on our website.
Yeah, the wall is just chunks of drywall.
Like I, I was like, oh, la, la, la, it's coming off.
And then I like it was extra heavy as I was pulling it off and I was like the weirdest.
Part of the wall.
And then I was like, I kept looking back and forth.
14:12
I was like, oh shit.
We have to do an episode for removing wallpaper.
We do because they're like the seven.
Circles.
There's this.
Seven circles of wallpaper hell.
Yeah, some wallpaper it's just and it comes right off the wall and some wallpaper you basically have to be virtue it off the wall.
14:34
Oh my gosh, that's so true.
So I'm excited because of all the things we do that we like, we'll do something for a while and we'll enjoy it, and then we'll be like, I hate this now.
I don't ever want to do it again.
And then we have to just not do it for a month and we're like, yeah, we'll do it again.
14:50
But one of the things that we usually like to do is painting.
And that's actually the most common thing that homeowners do in their own houses is paint.
Now all y'all out there, you're definitely giving it a good try, but a few of you are painting your ceilings and your baseboards and your carpet and your outlet covers.
15:10
Yeah, and or your outlets or?
The salsa behind your counter.
No.
So we're going to talk about we need to talk about like just some basic tips for how to make your house look like a professional painted it.
15:26
And we're going to do that after the pee break, after the pee break.
So Arlie's back from the bathroom and is ready to teach.
So back to you, Arlie.
For listeners, I'm up and Downing my eyebrows.
Yes, that doesn't really translate.
15:43
Your.
Audio up and down in the eyebrows, OK.
I'm upping and Downing my eyelids.
We should make a sound effect do it again.
I feel like it should be like.
Let's talk about.
16:04
Paint, yes.
So let's talk about Pink baby.
Let's talk about Sheen.
All day.
All right, we're talking about Sheen.
First up is Sheen.
What is?
Sheen, Sheen, right, Shaheeni yes, so, yes, so.
16:23
I should know that I'm really bad at spelling, it's true.
She's so smart.
It is such a bad speller.
HEEN Sheen.
What does it have?
Every kind she intelligent.
Shen Sheen do I win the spelling bee?
Yes, you do.
Yes, you got it.
16:41
OK, listeners, just turn this off.
They're like bye.
I'm just.
Kidding.
OK, keep it going.
Keep it going.
Sheen is basically the shininess of your paint, so that ranges from no shine to extra shiny, which are not the scientific terms.
16:56
We will go through those.
There's six common terms, 6 common Sheens, and we'll go through these.
There's a bunch of like random, random paint cans will have like random ones like Pearl, yeah, Pearl or like low luster or mid luster, whatever.
17:14
And I mean like that's just brand specific.
But you can usually ask like the person at your paint store, you can Google it or ask like the person at you know, whatever box store you're at to help you figure out what like common Sheen it's closest to.
17:31
Sometimes they have little charts.
Yeah, sometimes they have charts because like.
Pearl is really close to like Satin.
Yeah, I think that's between.
Satin and Sami and Sheen has both an aesthetic impact and a functional impact, right?
You're going to talk about that?
So we're going to do a little game for these, just a small game for the listeners, and we're either going to call it bitch, rate that shit.
17:59
What?
Or rated A do are you?
A.
Stroke.
Let's censor the first one.
We'll call.
It.
I have no idea what.
18:17
I don't know what's happening here.
I literally spelt it out.
Rate earlier, rate it.
Oh.
Rate it.
Rate.
Yes, RATE, rate it.
None of what you said you were having, you were having a stroke also sound.
18:39
Like Scooby-doo?
For a wedding, maybe.
Marshall, we're going.
To get anything.
Done.
OK, OK.
OK.
So the first one that you guys are going to rate is flat paint.
This is the first Sheen do we love.
Flat paint for listeners.
18:54
I'm putting a thumbs.
We're doing 1 to 5 S rate it 0 -5 but OK.
Are we rating on aesthetics or function overall?
Overall function 0 Aesthetics 5 for.
19:11
Approximately 2 weeks.
It's a 5.
OK, so flat basically has the least amount of reflection or definition.
So if you paint your wall with it, all of the little, you know, imperfections or whatever won't like have any kind of reflection.
19:29
So if you're looking at the wall from like the side or like far away, it won't have you won't be able to see any of the imperfections.
So it's great.
Absolutely.
For imperfect walls, it's the absolute best paint, and they pretty much exclusively use that in new construction.
19:46
They also do it seems.
Counterintuitive.
But yeah, in ceilings it's I would say that it's five out of five for ceilings because you don't touch it, you don't touch your ceilings.
So it's perfect it you know, it doesn't matter like how textured your ceilings are, how perfect or imperfect it's perfect because like you're never really looking at the ceiling that much anyway.
20:08
And then with the no luster, it just is perfect.
Then the next one is matte.
Rate it. 1 it's very similar.
It is the first one.
I would give it the same rating like I'm the one who's always like.
20:25
Depends.
I just went one up from 0.
It's slightly less bad for functional.
Reasons very slightly.
Yes, it is it to the naked eye, I would say it looks about the same to me, especially if it's white, like yeah, you know, it's really hard to tell, but and if you're doing it on a ceiling, it's there's no way you're going to know the difference.
20:51
I don't think it is a little bit easier to wash though.
So it has like a little bit more durability and it scuffs a little bit less than a flat paint, but they're very, very similar.
I would say that those are two like for a beginner, I would say that they're basically.
21:07
They're going to mostly look the same and perform the same, yeah.
OK, then we have these big kahunas right here.
Eggshell.
I give it a sideways thumb.
This is one out of five.
Sorry.
That is.
Not an option.
21:24
What if I had a?
3 written here.
Then.
Sure.
I agree a three, three.
OK, agree on three.
I think I would maybe say 3 or 4.
For me this is one of the most common.
It has the same kind of low luster as like the flat and the map, but it has much more durability.
21:49
It's more washable, especially depending on the paint that you get.
You can wash it off, which makes it really great for walls.
But it still isn't like super durable.
And I feel like it's it's a great beginner paint, to be honest.
22:05
It's very easy to apply.
Yeah, yeah, I'd say.
Second only to the next one you're going to talk about.
Satin 11,000 out of five.
Oh yeah, I give a thumbs up.
Oh.
My gosh.
Which translates into A5.
22:22
Can you tell Samantha and I don't like following rules?
No way.
OK, also I'm winning so.
Satin is kind of, it's almost, if you look at a wall and it has like kind of a reflection on it, but not really.
22:39
It's probably satin.
You couldn't compare it to like a Pearlish kind of luster.
It's very similar.
It kind of has like AI don't know like a reflectiveness to it, but it's not shiny.
It's similar to the velvet that is behind us.
22:56
For all your listeners, just.
Just a little bit.
Think of velvet like it has a little bit of light reflection.
But not a.
It's not really shiny.
Yeah, But these egg shell and satin are the most common that you're going to find on your walls.
And if you are in like a really busy house and you have like kids or dogs or whatever, I would definitely go with a satin because it's more durable.
23:20
Usually it's more readily available.
Eggshell I feel like isn't always in stock.
Yeah, at certain places you can almost always get satin.
You can almost always get satin, Yeah.
And it paints on really well.
It's really nice.
It's got like a pretty even consistency.
23:38
Flat paint I feel like usually is a little bit thicker.
You need to mix it a lot more, yeah.
Yeah, So I I think that satin is probably the best beginner friendly.
And it's the last paint going up the scale that you can use before your walls might.
23:53
Slightly look.
Like a gas station bathroom.
Yes, yeah, if your walls are absolutely horrendous and you're not able to do like any wall repair, it's just not worth it to you.
Like definitely go with something a very low luster, but I would say like the amount of wall damage and the amount of wall damage your walls might get are the two things that depend on what.
24:17
When you're done, I want to quiz you on like, certain home situations.
Yeah, but the just I don't think we clarified it for flat and matte paint it like if you get dirt on it, it doesn't really clean off.
Of the paint, no, it doesn't clean off very well, which is why I say like low durability.
24:34
Yeah, because if you scuff or if you like get like I don't know if your dog.
Rubs up against it like our dog used to do.
Yeah, if.
You spill something on it like you know.
Spill your coffee with salsa or coffee.
24:50
Or something it's it's like more porous almost even though like it's a finished paint, it's like almost more porous and it like absorbs.
Into the paint or something?
Yeah.
Become part of it.
And you can't just wash it off, Yeah.
I know why it's.
More porous.
OK, tell us please.
So with paint, it's just a bunch of rocks, basically minerals crushed up and suspended in a liquid.
25:13
The more crushed it is, the higher Sheen you get.
That's why flat paint is cheaper, because it goes through less processing.
It's kind of like with booze, like a vodka distilled 12 times is more expensive than a vodka distilled one time, which you probably don't want to drink.
It might make you go blind, but was just.
25:31
Like alcohol?
With paint, it's very similar.
So like I did all my wedding decorations and matte paint because at Menards it was only $20 a gallon.
So it like you would kind of pay for what you get.
25:46
Makes sense.
It's more laborious to make the other stuff, so it's more expensive.
Yeah.
All right.
OK.
So our last two da da, da is semi gloss.
I give.
Semi gloss a thumbs up for what?
It's meant to be used.
Yeah, I give it what's A5?
I want to use my thumbs.
26:04
OK, next I really.
Like thumbs up and thumbs down I guess.
I love the look of satin on trim, like I actually prefer it over semi gloss so I'm going to give semi gloss A4 because it does look good.
And I like this is where we're different.
Like I like, I like shiny trim.
Me too, I'm gonna give semi gloss a three.
26:22
I don't like painting with semi gloss and I don't love its finish.
I.
Have it in my bathroom I think like.
It's just, yeah, it's almost like it wants to be high gloss, but it ain't.
So it almost looks to me like it just didn't dry right or something.
26:38
Yeah, and a lot of the semi gloss don't always have the same self leveling properties as the high gloss ones, so they don't have the hardest to roll on as.
Well.
I feel like.
And it would show pretty much all of the imperfections.
Yeah, it has.
You can see brush strokes if you aren't careful, roller marks.
26:58
You'll be able to see like any bumps or stuff in your wall, big imperfections like that.
So I would keep.
We normally have semi gloss for cabinets, sometimes satin for cabinets and furniture too.
But mostly cabinets, furniture, sometimes floors, places that you have like a lot of high wear and tear.
27:21
Stereos question of function.
Yeah, because it's a lot more durable than.
The first four when we first started we thought you should put scammy gloss in kitchen and bathroom.
We did.
We learned that it's.
Easiest.
We thought it was easiest to clean, which is why my and.
27:37
Most as pervious to water to moisture, which is true, but your your bathroom's not supposed to have wet walls, so.
Yeah, it's not supposed to take it out.
That in the future episodes.
Yeah, yeah.
But I mean I have semi gloss in my kitchen and it cleans, but it cleans.
27:55
I also have a golden retriever who puts the dirt on my walls and I have satin in the rest of my house and it cleans just fine.
Yeah.
So satin's a high performer.
It is.
It's a.
Technology, I think it because it used to be semi gloss, was the one that was the easiest cleaned.
But the technology has come quite a ways, yeah.
28:14
The last one is.
The last one.
Gloss.
Gloss or also known as.
High gloss gloss.
Gloss is on trend right now.
People are doing whole rooms of it.
Really.
That would be so shiny.
I think they do like a deep green and then it's like kind of like bougie but they spray it on.
28:36
OK, sorry, that was a random bowel.
TikTok, I would find that appealing.
I don't think I would.
Unless it would be like a glass room or something.
Unless the walls were hello brain where there would work like.
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Unless they were.
Wainscoting or judges paneling or a board and batten.
Something like that.
Then for me because I like shiny trim then I think any kind of woodwork shiny would look nice.
I'm just thinking of like floor to ceiling with only baseboards and the whole wall shiny.
29:09
No, this one was like a lot of trim layered and then it had a chandelier in it, so it like bounced off.
But that's kind of nice.
See that being like a Moody on purpose.
I think it was like they had like a bar room and they're this is above my tax bracket.
29:25
But I don't know.
I love high glass trim.
There's a brand from Sherwin-Williams that I'm in love with.
I love it too.
It's called.
Is it the same one?
It's.
Same at the same time ready. 123 emerald urethane.
Oh, emerald urethane, there's an.
29:42
Emerald urethane.
And then an emerald urethane, which one is a water based and one is an oil based and their applications are very similar and and.
That paint is so.
Good.
It's so good.
And Emerald common is that?
29:59
I.
Think it does.
I think it might.
I think it does, yeah.
But it's it's so beautiful.
It has like self leveling properties which you put it in like like you put it on kind of thick, almost like you leave like yeah, it's not like you're dragging your brush.
30:18
Like dragging a brush across your trim and you have very deep brush marks but then that self leveling.
Yeah, it takes like a little bit longer to dry.
So it like settles out and then you get like this perfect.
So like even if you have like kind of not the best brush or you know you're leaving a lot of brush Marks and it's not super even looking by the end when it's really dry, it looks really good.
30:43
Yeah.
I don't know if you're going to talk about this probably in the future, but I will say one thing that makes that not true what you just said is if your house is at 85°.
Oh yeah, yes, that is true.
And that applies to all the paints you use.
If it the temperature, pay attention to the temperature on the can.
They're different for different paints.
It's.
30:59
They're right.
If it's, whatever's on the can.
If it's.
Too, If it's too cold, it never really cures.
And if it's too hot, it dries so fast it doesn't have time to level, so you end up with all kinds of marks on it.
Yeah, ask me how I know.
We love Sherwin-Williams.
31:16
Sherwin-Williams isn't like, you know, everywhere, but we are in love with Sherwin-Williams, I think.
They're pretty ubiquitous throughout the United States.
Well, if you have a Sherwin-Williams, use them.
I mean, we have.
Plastic 8 in Lansing.
We love duration.
They have different like names of paints.
31:33
So duration is one of their kind of like general use paints which we love their duration in their cashmere for walls standard.
Residential.
Yeah, pretty much anything duration has like Sheens that you can use and basically from top to bottom.
31:56
If you're doing something a little bit more special, you know, we would say if you have the the finances to do it, do like an emerald on your trim because it's so beautiful, super durable, more expensive.
It is very durable because it gets really hard.
32:14
And so it's just like we talked.
About this last episode, Sometimes more expensive doesn't mean better.
Like some things you buy cheap instead of the higher, the higher end one.
But for paint, I can't say it's universally true, but for the most part, when you're paying more for paint, it's because you're getting more.
32:31
Yeah.
And I will say the one the biggest marketing lie ever told by anybody is 1 coat coverage.
It's a lie.
It's a lie.
So don't pay extra for a gallon of one coat coverage thinking you can buy half as much paint, because it's just not true.
No, and this is a random aside, but we've found the standard room takes about a gallon and a half.
32:51
Yeah, paint.
So maybe just by?
Walls.
Only, Yep, Yeah, yeah.
OK, So we're gonna talk about the difference between water based and oil based paints real quick.
Basically water based is based in water, water water.
Yeah, 2O yes, spaghetti.
33:06
So now I'm imagine opening a can and having like spaghetti.
Chunks in there.
That's when you leave it open too long and it gets like when you're stirring it.
I'm like, no.
Have these rust on it.
Yuck, I can almost smell that paint now that you.
33:22
Said I know sometimes an estimate that people be like I have paint from when we last.
Painted and it's from.
Literally the 90s and I'm like, and then they'll open it and it's just, it'll open it and it's like crusty rusty on the.
Top and then it gets in.
33:38
It does.
You can't take the lid off of that and.
I'm like.
Crusty's in the paint.
Yeah, we can absolutely use this to get the color formula very tactfully, say like, yes, 'cause they're like, you can just strain the rest out of it.
No.
All right, so not spaghetti.
It's made of water.
33:54
It's made of water as it's base 'cause it's water based based.
It's not just water.
If you're foreshadowing effective if your paint can says latex or acrylic, it's water based almost all the time.
Which is basically plastic and water together.
34:11
Yeah, which doesn't seem like a great combination, but you know what?
It is cool, basically.
So it's the most common because it's easy to use.
You can wash it off with water and soap helps a little bit.
34:27
And it takes as little as 30 minutes to dry.
Yeah.
And then it has lots of kind of like capabilities for contraction and expansion.
It like if you leave acrylic paint on something like, I don't know, your tray, paint tray or something like that.
34:48
And there's kind of enough of it there.
If you come back in three days, you can like peel it off and it kind of stretches.
Love it peeling.
Paint so much, it's literally my favorite part of the job.
That stretchy like elasticity is how it is on your wall and so it'll take a lot of like settling or yeah yeah it'll it'll take a lot before it'll crack or break or anything like that.
35:15
Oil based on the other hand, dries slow and it dries hard, which means that it's really super durable, but it takes longer to dry.
It takes like, let's see, 6 to 8 hours before it's dried to the touch and then.
35:34
And it's not like then put furniture on it.
No, doesn't it take like oh I forgot they take the same?
Yeah.
So water based and oil based actually take two to three weeks to cure completely.
So the difference between drying to touch and curing is drying is when the water has evaporated out of it or any any compound in it that can evaporate has evaporated out of it.
35:58
And then curing is like a chemical reaction that happens with like the resin inside of the paint that happens gradually over time.
And those they take about the same amount.
The recoat time for water based paint is like, I don't know, couple hours, right?
36:16
I think it's like 4 hours.
And then oil base is 24.
Yeah.
So from just a user perspective, it's a lot harder to use oil based paints.
Sometimes there are certain situations where it just makes more sense.
36:33
And that's fine.
You know, if you're not going to move into a house for a long time and you can, you know, do that and you want to make your trim oil based and take that extra time, then that's totally fine.
But if you're using the room, if you want to put it back together, if you want to do it in a weekend, using oil based just isn't feasible.
36:53
Plus oil.
Is so strong, the EOC's on that, which are volatile compounds, organic compounds, Yeah, volatile organic compounds, they're very high.
They're super high.
We painted my tile backsplash with oil paint when we didn't live in the house and I just left it for a week.
37:14
It was so so.
I have to be really careful when you're painting with any kind of oil based product because like I'm someone who has tolerance for like chemically smells.
It doesn't like it doesn't bother me to smell chemicals.
Like I like the smell of Sharpies, but do people?
Not like.
The smell of Sharpies, I think normal people.
37:29
I love the smell of sharpie.
But then when you you'll use it for a while and this goes for stains too, and you don't realize what's happening.
And then later you're like, I don't feel well.
Something heals off.
Like you have to be really careful to wear like the appropriate like chemical blocking masks because otherwise it we won't notice right away.
37:49
Some people can't handle the smell from the beginning, but otherwise you won't notice right away.
And then it just makes you feel ill later.
Yeah, you can taste it.
You can't.
Yes, like here is sinuses definitely.
Like I would say a whole different beast.
You need like mineral spirits or some kind of paint thinner to get it off of your.
38:09
Yeah, if you get it on your stuff, it doesn't just wash off like latex.
And it's just harder to use and like we've used the Emerald urethane before, which is an oil based product and you know, we figured it out, it's fine.
38:25
And we we loved what we did with it, but it isn't as easy as just simply using a water based.
You have to have a very specific reason, yeah, to pick an oil based product.
Plus there used to just be water based and oil placed and now there's kind of like in between some.
38:42
So like if you need an oil based application but you don't have the time to wait, I would just do some research on it because like my cabinet paint is a acrylic base, but it's oil enamel enriched.
38:57
So somehow they got them to mix together and it's super durable.
Like my dogs have a counter surfer and sore claws have gone down the kind of stuff a lot and I can just clean it off and it's good to go.
39:13
So yeah.
Speaking of enamel enamel, actually it used to refer to the fact that it was oil based.
And so it at one point in time all enamel paints were oil based.
But now it kind of is for it's used more as like a Sheen type definition.
39:32
Are you, like, it means like hardness, Yeah, yeah.
Like durability and hardness like I see a lot of.
Like furniture, paint, Say, like enamel.
Yeah, but it's water based.
So enamel no longer means like it's oil or water based.
It just means that it has that type of finish, that durability.
39:52
So if you're looking at something and it says like water based enamel or acrylic enamel or something, it's.
You have to look at the can and see whether it's oil or water based, but a great.
Place to start for a beginner is water based.
Yeah, great, great place.
40:08
I would not dive right into oil painting, no.
So I know you're going to teach us some other things next week.
What's on the agenda for next week's teaching?
Next week we're talking about some painting equipment things that you need.
We're talking about our least favorite, which is brushes.
40:24
We're going to brush around and find out.
If you're asking yourself the question, does the quality of the equipment matter, Yes, that's the short answer.
But join us next week to get the long answer.
And Emily, how can they find us if they're interested in what we're doing?
So there are two ways to support us on social media because we have two accounts.
40:43
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41:01
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And if we don't have the social media, I sorry.
Yeah.
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41:18
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We'll we'll post content about what we care, why we care and where we got here.
But just a short of it, just because I'm excited to share is I really did have a little bit of experience in this.
41:35
She was growing up DIY.
But neither of us did it.
I didn't grow up doing DIY's, Samantha's my mom and like we usually.
DIY do.
Yeah, you did.
Yeah.
Interesting, on my way to say that.
But so we learned this five years ago and we'll share more in an episode of like how we came to this.
41:58
But I'm an artist by trade.
Samantha's been in HR and corporate stuff for years and years.
And we untraditionally found our way into the field.
And I think that is something all women can do.
Or we want to teach you enough so you can have good contractor relationships and know when the wool is being pulled over your eyes or you can do stuff in your own home.
42:20
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